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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://speechification.com/2008/01/10/by-design/comment-page-1/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, engineers and artists are designers, at least in the broad definition of design that &#039;By Design&#039; rightly takes. Design as a sphere of activity, shaping things (hence Saunders&#039;s inclusion of food etc.) (Although that broad definition should probably then include politicians etc., which would make it something quite different.)

So design in this wider sense certainly includes landscape gardeners, architects, engineers, product designers, as well as the graphic designer (web designer?) you&#039;re probably alluding to? Hence its importance. The manicurist I&#039;d class as a stylist rather than a designer, but these aren&#039;t exactly precise definitions.

Radio 4, for instance, has regular shows on sports, politics, farming, &#039;medical matters&#039;, travel, food, money, religion, &#039;country life&#039;, even poetry for goodness&#039; sake ... and of course the media itself (how could the media not have a show about the media?) The lack of a design/architecture programme there speaks volumes about the BBC&#039;s (Britain&#039;s) lack of understanding of such things.

It might also be because, like snooker, some will struggle with what they think of as a visually-orientated subject matter on the radio. That again shows a lack of understanding of design. Equally, By Design - and the other shows I mention - indicate that it&#039;s entirely possible to cover the subject(s), and well. I wonder if, in Britain at least, networks like Radio 4 are still largely run by the vestigial nub of an establishment orientated towards the literary (e.g. despite our best efforts here, highlighting the likes of Chris Watson et al, how many shows orientated towards sound, music or film, compared to books?). I&#039;d be interested in what other countries/cultures have to offer in this area. For example, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, China, India, Mexico, Brazil. It&#039;s interesting that Australia and Japan cover it.

However, as a designer, I know might have fallen into your trap and look a little defensive. But have a few listens to By Design. I&#039;d be interested in your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, engineers and artists are designers, at least in the broad definition of design that &#8216;By Design&#8217; rightly takes. Design as a sphere of activity, shaping things (hence Saunders&#8217;s inclusion of food etc.) (Although that broad definition should probably then include politicians etc., which would make it something quite different.)</p>
<p>So design in this wider sense certainly includes landscape gardeners, architects, engineers, product designers, as well as the graphic designer (web designer?) you&#8217;re probably alluding to? Hence its importance. The manicurist I&#8217;d class as a stylist rather than a designer, but these aren&#8217;t exactly precise definitions.</p>
<p>Radio 4, for instance, has regular shows on sports, politics, farming, &#8216;medical matters&#8217;, travel, food, money, religion, &#8216;country life&#8217;, even poetry for goodness&#8217; sake &#8230; and of course the media itself (how could the media not have a show about the media?) The lack of a design/architecture programme there speaks volumes about the BBC&#8217;s (Britain&#8217;s) lack of understanding of such things.</p>
<p>It might also be because, like snooker, some will struggle with what they think of as a visually-orientated subject matter on the radio. That again shows a lack of understanding of design. Equally, By Design &#8211; and the other shows I mention &#8211; indicate that it&#8217;s entirely possible to cover the subject(s), and well. I wonder if, in Britain at least, networks like Radio 4 are still largely run by the vestigial nub of an establishment orientated towards the literary (e.g. despite our best efforts here, highlighting the likes of Chris Watson et al, how many shows orientated towards sound, music or film, compared to books?). I&#8217;d be interested in what other countries/cultures have to offer in this area. For example, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, China, India, Mexico, Brazil. It&#8217;s interesting that Australia and Japan cover it.</p>
<p>However, as a designer, I know might have fallen into your trap and look a little defensive. But have a few listens to By Design. I&#8217;d be interested in your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://speechification.com/2008/01/10/by-design/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do mainstream media owners run a mile from design? Why does something that *seems* so important get so little pop media attention. I don&#039;t have a good answer, except that I sometimes think designers *think* they&#039;re more important than they really are. They defensively classify themselves alongside engineers and artists but they&#039;re frightened that they really belong over there with the manicurists and the landscape gardeners :-&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do mainstream media owners run a mile from design? Why does something that *seems* so important get so little pop media attention. I don&#8217;t have a good answer, except that I sometimes think designers *think* they&#8217;re more important than they really are. They defensively classify themselves alongside engineers and artists but they&#8217;re frightened that they really belong over there with the manicurists and the landscape gardeners :-></p>
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